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people-smugglers are, and how some of them encourage rich Pakistani people to pretend to be poor Afghani asylum seekers. It was literally a set-up, not questioning the troubles people might have in leaving these countries legally, only contrasting the fate of the very poor in huge refugee cps with those who are rich enough to ‘jump the queue.’ At no point in the entire forum did anyone raise the question of whether for some it is impossible to join the queue, if indeed there is one. At the conclusion of the video 15 or so people stood up and began walking out, many people loudly protesting about the inappropriateness and one-sidedness about the segment I had just watched. I were there to talk about Australia’s policies towards refugees, not about people-smugglers. How they get here, as Robert Manne pointed out, is not the important issue here. Several also pointed out that this kind of reporting enforces the idea of asylum-seekers as criminal or illegal. It was a shoddy piece of journalism and was not a good start to the ‘debate.’

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Liz Hayes failed to provide any effective youdiation or facilitation of what was a very heated and chaotic ion. There were several in the audience he targeted for specific quesitons: Philip Ruddock, Robert Manne, David Oldfield, and others. Bizarrely, Philip Ruddock was the only person to speak against more generous treatment of refugees with any intelligence. There were too many people there with enormously important things to say; there was never going to be any hope of getting them all in. and because of the lack of facilitation, those who spoke were those who stood up and shouted. The woman sitting in front of you sat with her hand in the air for the entire 2 hours of the debate. he was not heard. Some very idiosyncratic views were. As a debate it lacked coherence all together, often swinging far from what I’d consider to be the important points. There was a great deal of shouting, boo-ing, clapping - though you don’t doubt that I will see this, more sensational, stuff on the show on Sunday. People were so upset, so angry, so anxious to have their say. It was pretty upsetting, as a few people yelled abuse at others. ‘wog!’ someone yelled, and ’send them all home!’ at another point. The people making these s were few - there would only have been 2 of them (4 if you include the One Nation candidates, one of whom managed to make a complete fool of herself.) The vast majority of this varied audience were in favour of a more compassionate stance towards refugees.

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